Spruced Up for the Holidays

Dearest wOw friends:

Welcome to our new platform. Some of you may not even notice the difference (after all our hard work!) but we think it’s snazzy: simpler and more streamlined. Happily, we’ve found a way to transfer all pre-existing wOw accounts and passwords, so no heavy lifting on your end. If you have a moment, tell us what you think.

xoxo JONI

85 Responses so far.

  1. avatar Barbara H. says:

    Congratulations… Beautiful look…very sleek and much easier on the eyes. Easy to use as well. Good work!

    Happy Thanksgiving to all!

  2. avatar Rho says:

    I like it, but was hard to login. Thanks, looks great. Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

  3. avatar Baby Snooks says:

    Someone misplaced all the previous comments on all the current columns although I guess in my case, that’s a good thing. “I never said such a thing…”

    Other than that, well, the format is much better.

  4. avatar Lila Kuh says:

    Joni, some issues:

    — Can’t upload an avatar (error: upload directory doesn’t exist)
    — Can’t see other users’ profiles as we could before
    — Can’t reply to other users’ comments
    — Comments on the older articles have disappeared
    — No mechanisms for quotes, italics, bold, etc in composing comments
    — The “contact us” link is not working or I would have sent this in that way

    There may be more that I have not found or noticed yet…

  5. avatar Lila Kuh says:

    In short – the best thing about this site is the ability to directly converse with other users and that seems not to be possible now.

  6. avatar Maggie W says:

    Easy on the eyes. Very nice, thank you. However, I have the same concerns as
    Lila Kuh.

  7. avatar Badfaerie says:

    No, I did not change my user-name for purposes sinister and malignant. My old password (which I confirmed on my storage site) had become disabled. When I attempted to create a new password, the site’s obvious glitches cratered my computer, and I had to shut down my machine and reset. I have just spent the last 45 minutes creating a new account, during which time problems unique to this site (I only had WoW and my email sites open) caused my computer to lock-down twice more, the second requiring consultation with my IT administrator/professional husband. Not good, Joni.

    The last revamp of WoW was just a minor bit of irritation. This is a virtual debacle. O, it has a nice, clean, crisp look to it. Of course, it seems all of the older comments have vanished, along with everyone’s avatars. And none of the features so desperately needed (such as “Contact Us”, Password Reset, and many others) are inaccessible. What a shame. And I share Lila’s doubtfulness regarding the absence of italics, bold, and quotes, the ability to respond directly to others, and accessibility of profiles.

    However, I do suppose it is nice to finally have an active spell-check tending to our comments. I also know that revamps of this nature are usually costly…as can be attending to the glitches caused by putting style over substance. A site should have a firm utilitarian foundation, not just be trendy and easy on the eyes. In this sense, the Fall Update is not, so far, a success.

    Badfaerie (fnord)
    Formerly Briana Baran

    • avatar Badfaerie says:

      Argh, that was meant to be “accessible”, not “inaccessible” regarding features on the site.This is what over an hour of struggling with a site can do to my feeble brain. And I observe that we can now reply to each other. Splendid.

  8. avatar Deeliteful says:

    Ok, now I can respond…I have same concerns that Lila Kuh has, especially: “In short – the best thing about this site is the ability to directly converse with other users and that seems not to be possible now”

    I’ll give it a few days for y’all to sort out the bugs before I stop visiting this site. Thank you.

  9. avatar Deeliteful says:

    Oh yeah, like Badfaerie, I had to create another account, because when I tried to sign in under old account, using correct password, I was told that user name was already taken and to choose another. A few glitches, indeed.

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      Deeliteful – can you email me at talk-to-us [at] wowowow.com with your original username and I’ll get your accounts sorted out. Thanks!

  10. avatar Donna H says:

    I had no trouble logging in. However, I miss the little “Welcome, DonnaH” at the top that told me I was logged in. I had no idea if I was logged in or not until I started to post.

  11. avatar Donna H says:

    I’m not happy about this stuff missing, either (thanks, Lila Kuh)

    – Can’t upload an avatar (error: upload directory doesn’t exist)
    – Can’t see other users’ profiles as we could before
    – Can’t reply to other users’ comments
    – Comments on the older articles have disappeared
    – No mechanisms for quotes, italics, bold, etc in composing comments
    – The “contact us” link is not working or I would have sent this in that way

  12. avatar Bonnie O says:

    Joni –
    I concur with all the above comments. If the website plans to discontinue the “reply” function or the storage of previously made comments or the specializied printing functions, please let us know.

  13. avatar Lizzie R. says:

    All I can say is…”HUH?” Why is it that ” improvments” often turn out to be not that?Sometimes change is hard, but if the change loses so much that was good then there is a reasson for it being hard. I suppose there is a reason for this, but losing the avatars/more makes it a less attractive place to visit, and losing the “past” makes it even more so. I hope this can return to some of what we all enjoyed so about this.

  14. avatar Community Manager says:

    Good morning/afternoon everyone!

    Thank you for the kind words so far and the details of what isn’t working. It helps us prioritize and well, get it right.

    Reply function is working now
    Avatar upload is being worked on. We’re trying to see if one of the Thanksgiving turkeys was seeking revenge between the time of testing and pushing the new site
    Links to user profiles: will get that fixed
    Contact Us and other footer links: Fixing ASAP
    Fancy HTML editor for comments (quotes, italics, bold): We can work on putting this in. In the prior site we received a number of complaints that these features (and abuse by some) actually made the site harder to read. You can use html tags if you know them such as b and /b (both in <>) for bold; i and /i for italics.
    Comments from archived/older articles: We did not migrate all of the articles from the prior site as they didn’t mesh with some of the new content offerings and direction wOw is looking to take. Therefore, parsing comments of users of articles coming over v. not was not as practical or efficient as we would have liked making it an all-or-none issue.

    Keep the feedback coming and we’ll keep working. We have pie!

  15. avatar Community Manager says:

    For those who are having an issue logging in with your account, email talk-to-us [at] wowowow.com and we’ll sort out your account.

    Briana Baran, will take a look at your account and get it straightened out so that you keep your original username.


  16. avatar Rho says:

    Me again, the only problem now that I’m having, is I cannot access the website from the old site. It tells me navigation to the site has been canceled. Why is that?? I had to save this page to my favorites, so I could login again.

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      Rho – you probably need to clear your browser’s cache. Simply hold the shift key down and click the reload icon in your browser bar. This should help.

  17. avatar Deirdre Cerasa says:

    Well my account and password did not transfer and each time I go to another article,I have to re-enter my name and password. Not fun. Hopefully , the glitches will be ironed out soon.

    Happy Thanksgiving!

  18. avatar J Holmes says:

    Like the new look. Will Liza still be a contributor? I miss not seeing her clever cartoons.

  19. avatar Lengfaerie says:

    I am truly not trying to be difficult, but this has been a disaster for me. My new account, under Badfaerie, suddenly disappeared completely, nor was I able to log in under my old BrianaBaran account using my old password. When I tried once again to set up a new password, I was informed that the character did not exist. I then tried to set up a new account, which took almost 90 minutes (well, the good news is that this time it did not cause my computer to have a mechanical seizure). Hence, Lengfaerie (please, please, Joni and other WoW staff, leave my new username and account be. I am still me, Briana Baran, and I am not trying to cause any issues for anyone).

    With new account established, I tried to post on another article. The system logged me out. I logged back in, and tried to post on the same article again…and got booted again. Becoming paranoid, I tried another, and was mysteriously logged in, only to be logged out on this one. My brain began to hurt. I could not use the “Contact Us” form…because it repeatedly either logged me out or froze the page, or, just for giggles, told me that the character didn’t exist. It continues in this fashion at present, which is why I am bemusedly posting on this thread.

    My machine is free if viruses, malware, worms and alien probes (having an IT administrator as a spouse is very helpful), and has been running smoothly of late, so it is not the sometimes recalcitrant bit of techno-ugly’s fault. It’s…weird.

    Anyway, I have decided that I emphatically do not want to have my account fixed. Please don’t, as Lengfaerie will suffice for a user-name, and I am officially announcing that I was once Briana Baran on my profile. Also, do reinstate the italics and bold…otherwise I fear that we will have users screaming at each other in all Caps in short order.



  20. avatar Linda Myers says:

    Might take a little adjustment though a nice change!

  21. avatar Lizzie R. says:

    I’m back and that is a huge surprise to me, as all I kept getting was a message that “people of this country are not allowed access to this site”…again “HUH?” I have messed about way too long and finally am here to make my latest comment. Hope it is straightened out soon or we will all disappear out of sheer frustration…sigh!
    Everybody have a very Happy Thanksgiving.

    • avatar Deeliteful says:

      I kept getting that same “people of your country not allowed.” I deleted my old saved wOw favorite and went looking for the site another way, found it and now using that one to sign on. Also, do not want my old account re-instated; this is working just fine.

  22. avatar phyllis Doyle Pepe says:

    Message re: our original postings: I certainly hope this will be restored as it, for me, and perhaps for others, is a piece of history, also I have creative pieces and some research that I want to save. Thank you and Happy gobble gobble.

    • avatar Lila Kuh says:

      Phyllis, I second that. I liked having the old postings available.

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      Phyllis and Lila, unfortunately not. Again, since we didn’t bring over all of the articles it meant not bring over all of the comments. It was an all/none type option. The articles we did bring over were done by hand (basically a copy/paste of those articles).

      • avatar kermie says:

        CM–The last two years are entirely gone? Really, all of it?

        Hmm. that is kind of freeing, actually. I like it. Decluttering the internet. There are some people I will really miss though–maybe they’ll come back someday.

        Bold move. Onward and upward.

        • avatar kermie says:

          I am surprised also, but not as shocked as many, that two years of posts are completely gone. My friend, the comp-sci doc, said she was surprised this site had such a large backlog.

          The majority of online sites delete comments on a regular basis. Maybe wowowow IS looking to liven things up, new people, new advertisers–the economy HAS hit everywhere. Legally, our comments belong to wowowow and they have the right, although I do feel for those who felt they should have been warned.

          I can see both sides of the issue. The last time the website changed format the comments weren’t deleted, so we didn’t expect it this time.

          • avatar kermie says:

            What matters to me is that we care about each other. We come back on a weekly basis and see familiar names and give a damn about the people we see. I DO miss the archives. There is nothing I can do about that. Just like my old job, there is nothing I can do except look toward the future. Yes, really, I do equate them. You folks got me through a very difficult time in my life. I will never forget that. Never.

          • avatar Community Manager says:

            Aw shucks Kermie. You’ve always been a joy on the site and make me smile whenever I see your avatar! Glad we were here (and are here) for you in your times of need. Paying it forward!

      • avatar phyllis Doyle Pepe says:

        This is truly upsetting. We should have been told before hand so we could rescue the pieces we wanted to save. You people have a history which is rich if not fascinating and it gets thrown down the drain just in order to have a new format?

        • avatar Lila Kuh says:

          Ditto. And I have been wondering in just what direction you are going with this site, too. If it’s supposed to be aimed at intelligent women of a certain age, then there NEEDS to be a variety of fora including politics, world events, and economics. I rarely agreed with Liz Peek, but she was a faithful contributor and the topics that she introduced for discussion were good, serious issues with real impacts on the country. I looked forward to her column and have been waiting to see who will take on the role, but… no one yet.

          Real, intelligent women do not sit around only thinking about fashion, astrology, makeup tricks and liposuction. Yes, those topics enter into women’s lives, but if they dominate, there is something wrong. If you are really taking this site in a new direction, I would like to see it beefed up intellectually.

          Thank God for Liz Smith, Mr. Wow, and Margo, your best and most prolific contributors. I especially love Mr. Wow’s wide variety of topics.

      • avatar phyllis Doyle Pepe says:

        Again I want to voice my outrage at your arbitrary erasing of our past postings. Unfortunately, you say? Where is the integrity of our voices that you once applauded? I have been on this site from its inception and loved going back and rereading some of those voices that were so vibrant, so full of passion; we had wonderful discussions–-we were like a family. Be that as it may, my main beef is that you did not notify us of this change so that we had a chance to recover some of these wonderful writings. These were OUR contributions, our writings! I cannot begin to express my sadness and anger at this decision.

        • avatar Bonnie O says:

          Phyllis –  I have read futher comments on this thread and it does appear that our previously made comments to all WOW articles have been shanghied … or lost.  No matter.  It is shame.   Thanks anyway.

    • avatar Bonnie O says:

      Hi Phyllis-   I have a question.

      I still cannot find a link to “previously made comments”.  Do you know if WOW has discontinued that function?  I have written twice to “contact us” without a response.  Many thanks.

      p.s. I remembered your inquiry, which was similar to mine, when Joni’s announcement first appears;  therefore, I thought I would ask you. 

  23. avatar Briana Baran says:

    Ah, I am back again, but I can only post to this article for some bizarre reason. I also am showing as logged out on the home page and on all other articles, but logged in when I check my status. I must admit, my enfeebled brain hurts, but thank you for restoring my account.

    I am curious as to who would complain about such things as italics and bold print when these are used to emphasize a point. I only rarely saw these features abused, and they in no way obstructed my ability to read the text of comments. Much worse is the misuse of quotation marks to highlight a word or phrase (an all-too frequent offense), and even more horrendous are those who bellow in all capitals (which is impossible to read). I hope that those of us who object strongly to cretins who insist upon SHOUTING will not result in the banning of the use of the Caps key…as this would result in comments that would unintentionally (and incoherently) resemble the works of a moronic e.e. cummings.

  24. avatar Lila Kuh says:

    Now I am also getting the “users from your country are not allowed to access this site” message. I’m in the Washington DC area. I guess this IS kind of a bizarre place, but… come on now, let’s get the tech difficulties solved before all your customers and advertisers flock elsewhere.

    Personally, there are so many glitches with your new setup, I would just put the old one back online until you can run some beta tests and make sure your new platform is working fully.

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      Lila – hopefully this is resolved. We have a country block in place to help curb the Chinese spam you were seeing on the other site. This has been reset so crossing fingers that the issue is resolved.

      • avatar Lila Kuh says:

        I am all for anything to kill the Chinese spam!! Gaaahhhh, that was annoying. Thanks for that.

        • avatar Community Manager says:

          Well, we did achieve that point! We had other countries listed too so hoping that with some slight tweaks this mornign it’s all straightened out.

  25. avatar Maggie W says:

    Logged on with no problem today. Yay! Earlier, I was also informed of the ” users of this country…” I’ve been caught up in my own little world as of late and thought that perhaps Rick “Gov.Good Hair” Perry had Texas secede after all. Nothing in Texas politics ever surprises me.

    From Lila Kuh…”Real, intelligent women do not sit around only thinking about fashion, astrology, makeup tricks and liposuction.” Well said. I second that. However, while Liz Peek was the spark for much lively discussion, there was much redundant dialogue week after week, self included. I would welcome a more balanced poltical post that might attract more participants’ voices. Thank you.

  26. avatar Lila Kuh says:

    Also – no longer receiving email notifications that someone has replied to a comment. I don’t see anything in the profile settings to enable this. Nor to enable email alerts for articles, postings, etc.

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      Hi Lila – The email notifications to follow an author or topic was something specific to the old system. We are looking at how to implement such a feature on the new platform. The email on new comments added to an article you have posted is in testing.

  27. avatar Lizzie R. says:

    Back again……. What has happened to subjects that just appeared today, like Margo’s mother’s portrait.? I replied to it, and now see it has disappeared, as have others that disappear, yet some old subjects are still here. This is getting so confusing, as it is almost a waste of time to reply if the entire subject is disappearing. in a short time.

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      Hi Lizzie – nothing was removed today. On the homepage, in the top section with the feature there are left and right arrows along with tabs at the bottom for you to navigate the featured items. “A Night to Remember” is there which is the article you are referring to.

  28. avatar Briana Baran says:

    Well, apparently I am in China, as I am being informed that my country is verbotten. Or perhaps it is Texas. It took some negotiating to get back into the site, but then, I am a sneaky little beast.

    I am very distressed to have lost my old postings. I have many saved, as an insurance against the moderator’s unfortunate habit of disappearing my comments because of my recalcitrant subversiveness and refusal to play well with others. But others, some that were written at a critical time in my life, that helped to bring me out of a well of silence that had held me for over a decade, are lost, apparently forever, as are others that, in going back to them, I simply could not believe that I had written. I do not plan or edit my comments, nor do I know their precise origins…and they are not replicable.

    I think that the powers that be at WoW did us more than a disservice in unilaterally deleting all of our words and thoughts. This was almost an act of cruelty and abuse, certainly thoughtless, closing on malicious. When it is said that WoW is changing direction, I have to wonder why the obliteration of years of contribution was considered a good, and perhaps necessary thing. To ensure that no one is influenced by the ideas of the past? Wipe the slate clean? Discourage certain inconvenient patterns of thought? Encourage certain members with a lot of keyboard and intellectual time invested to go elsewhere?

    Because I am like a few of the others. If I wanted vapid, vacuous articles on how to make my assumed to be sagging, and disreputable breasts perfect (because they are the most important item in my sexual inventory), or how to improve the LBD (which I can’t even wear), or how to apply the new neutral make-up (blech)…in other words, how to conform and lose myself and not look OLD, I could go to hundreds of other ridiculous, empty sites. I don’t want to look at Auschwitz victim-like celebutards or drawings of coat hanger-collections in unwearable fashions, or hear about how wonderful said dingbat celebutards are. I want something suitable to evolved women, mature women, thinking, intelligent, creative women…which is what WoW purported to be.

    I would love an explanation. It is not lost on me that 52 comments are listed…but only a fraction of those seem to be visible. Let this one remain so.

    • avatar phyllis Doyle Pepe says:

      Briana: I am grateful that I am not alone (see my post above) in my anger and dismay at our lost postings––it feels somehow like a thievery. I cannot believe that this insensitivity wouldn’t have been squelched by someone or at least some person thinking they should notify us ahead of time. The value of our voices seems not to have figured in their brand new “sleek format.” I, too, am waiting for an explanation.

      • avatar Briana Baran says:

        Phyllis, consider the use of the word “unfortunately” in the comment from the Community Manager is explaining the disappearance of two years worth of thought and effort. “Unfortunately” these were lost. “Unfortunately” this was an “all or nothing” situation.

        If so, than why not all? What was to be gained by deleting all of that input? Why is the transference from the old to the new system so primitive that it requires hand cutting and pasting (hand? As in manual?) from the old site to the new? Was the system and the new site set up by basement techies of less than professional status? I have considerable access to professional insight on migrating old data and information to new formats (via R., who does it professionally as part of his job description), and after much debate about spousal input, I finally queried him on the subject. I will give you the socially acceptable version of his answer:


        I am bemused. We are not getting anything but vague answers as to the reasons for the erasure of so much time and effort. It has not been explained to us why we were not warned that the entire archived, and even more recent content of WoW…both articles and comments in our profiles, was going to be eradicated. Nor, despite our obvious distress, have we even received a wan and insincere apology.

        We are getting distant early warnings of the winds of change on WoW…but no real indication of what those change winds might bring. It reminds me of Sarah Palin’s endorsers’ repeated cries of, “Just wait and see in 2012!”…all hot air, but nothing for it to push.

        So, to the staff of WoW, I directly ask the question: What is really going on…and will it be worth my time to stay? Please don’t insult my intelligence with some ludicrous nonsense such as, “Only you can make that decision”, as I cannot do so without some honest and realistic information. Was the decision to permanently delete virtually the entire old site’s wealth of insight, conversation and thought a deliberate move to both encourage some members to leave, and a new and very different demographic to take their place? And is the new site’s direction going to be so vapid, commonplace and anti-intellectual that it is not worth the time of mature, evolved, thinking women to continue visiting the site (with the exception of Margo, Mr. Wow and Liz Smith)?

        Do tell…

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      All of the comments are showing. In fact, only 1 comment has been removed from this discussion because it was a duplicate posting. Otherwise, they are all showing.

      • avatar phyllis Doyle Pepe says:

        This response is for the comments on this thread, I gather, and is not addressing our lost postings–-our profiles.

      • avatar Briana Baran says:

        Community Manager: I would not have asked if there was not an issue. At the time of my query, I counted 21 comments when the article showed over fifty. At present, all of the comments are being displayed. This has also been an issue in the case of other articles.

        Given the considerable number of glitches and inconsistencies on the site since the inglorious revolution, one would think that the staff would have a little faith in the honesty of a member reporting a problem. I may be a recalcitrant and subversive beastie, but I am not given to lying.

        Also, I have noticed that numerous articles are listed in the various Categories…but vanishingly few can be accessed. I suppose that I am imagining this as well.

        • avatar Community Manager says:

          Briana, I don’t recall saying that you were fibbing. Any comments made we take note and put through testing to try and reproduce the issue. We will look into the articles/category issue as well.

          Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving holiday weekend free from work and full of family and friends.

  29. avatar Paul Smith says:

    The old format was fine. The content could use a serious boost. You lost a provocative writer. Get another.

  30. avatar Vicki Sarris says:

    The user interface is very intuitive – took just a few minutes to create an account and load info. So glad to be a part of this new community for women. Nicely done.

  31. avatar Vicki Sarris says:

    PS Women on the Web is my favorite “one stop spot” for news, info and online engagement and interaction. Really love it! Thank you.

  32. avatar Rho says:

    Well, what do you know? This is the first time clicking on the original link I saved worked. Thanks for that. I do miss my welcome, but guess you can’t have everything.

    Are we still getting replies to our posts? I had one, but did not see it in my email.

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      Hi Rho, we’re looking at some possible solutions for email alerts on comments and authors.

      • avatar Rho says:

        Thank you. But something funny happened just now. I had to log in again, would not accept my new password, it accepted the old one.

  33. avatar kermie says:

    CM–I liked and used the Preview feature before Submit. I edited down my responses that way. I sincerely hope you will bring that back. We really need italics and bold or else people will be shouting in all caps. No one wants that.

    I see our avatars are back. Thank you. Sorry you had to work all weekend. I hope you had a good holiday.

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      I have ‘preview’ on my list as well. As for bold and italics, that is further down the list but nonetheless, on the list.

      I hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving as well!

    • avatar Lizzie R. says:

      My Avatar isn’t back..

      • avatar kermie says:

        Lizzie–I have a MAC and I tried about five times over the weekend to get my avatar back. I did it, physically, on MY end. Maybe WoW is capable of reinstating the avatars; I don’t know. Good luck!

      • avatar Community Manager says:

        Hi Lizzie – we didn’t migrate avatars over, just usernames, first, last and passwords so you wouldn’t have to re-register or do a password reset.

  34. avatar Dianne Lopp says:

    What about all the previous postings of writers on Wowowow? Google news says Liz Smith wrote a tribute to Norris Mailer— I can’t access it and I can’t access her older columns.

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      Hi Dianne – on http://www.wowowow.com/ in the top section where you see the features rotating through (left/right arrows on the sides and tabs below the large photo) are you seeing the tab for “Remembering Norris Church Mailer”? This is by Margo Howard. We didn’t bring all of the content over from the prior site, just a few select articles.

      Liz Smith can be found http://wowowow.wpengine.com/author/liz-smith/ – we had columnists listed on the prior site making it easier to find contributors such as Liz.

  35. avatar Deeliteful says:

    In the top section, the features do not rotate and arrows do not work for me. I can only read the one topic shown. Each time I try to read another, bottom left indicates “done with error on page”

  36. avatar Mickey Marsh says:

    No trouble logging in. Missed you though on Wed!!

  37. avatar Lizzie R. says:

    It’s getting much better, but this is so teeny tiny it’s really difficult to see your typos, of which I make many. Could it possibly be made larger for those of us visually compromised?

  38. avatar Lila says:

    CM, leaving this comment here in case you miss it on Mr. Wow’s article:  still getting a trickle of spam through the spam-pipe (though the flood is much reduced, ah, relief!).
    Two points:  we apparently still need a “report” button, and your Contact Us has a problem – I tried to email this in, but the CAPTCHA filter does not recognize what I type.  Tried reloading five or six times and am certain I am matching the CAPTCHA, but no luck.

    • avatar Community Manager says:

      Yes, we look at all new comments a few times a day and remove such comments (which is now done) so even if you see the comment first, it will get removed over the course of the day.

      We are also aware of the CAPTCHA on the Contact Us and are working on fixing it.