Christians Vs. “The Mormon Cult:” Really? So What About the Jews?

Rick Perry and Robert Jeffress

Mr. wOw ponders the new world of “cults”

Evangelical pastor — and Rick Perry supporter — Robert Jeffress announced at the “Values Voters Conference” last week that Mitt Romney was not fit to be president because his Mormon religion is a “cult” and only those who have given their hearts and minds to Jesus Christ can be president of the United States. (The Mormon beliefs are only about 150 years old, and though they believe in Jesus, they don’t believe in any traditional manner.)

Interesting. Well, I guess this counts out any chance of a Jew for president — Jews do not believe Jesus was the son of God: he was just an ordinary Jewish preacher of the time. (The pastor Jeffress made it clear that no Jew should be president, either. And that all presidents should be judged on how they “stood on Biblical law.”) But, wait — aren’t the Evangelicals all up in Israel’s business? Supporting the Jewish state of Israel? Supporting Jews? Uhhhh … not quite.

Evangelicals support the land. They consider Israel and Jerusalem their holy hot spots. The place where the Big Battle of Armageddon will happen. So they throw money at Israel, all the while thinking: “Hope they come to Christ, otherwise they’re gonna burn in Hell!” And Israel accepts it. Perhaps they feel they have no choice — a tiny country surrounded by enemies. Take help where you can. (Jews don’t believe in Hell, so they are much more “meh” about that concept.)

But doesn’t anybody creep out that these Evangelical saviors wish you dead, unless you believe as they do? That they will happily see you burn in Hell if you don’t accept Christ? Something really ugly there. Not to mention very anti-Semitic.

So while we have a man of mixed race in the White House, and a full African American running for the post — the lovely Herman Cain — we still can’t have a Mormon, or a Jew, or what about a damned atheist? (Please, give me a man or woman of no faith but lots of humanity and good sense!)

Cult? Every time I see one of those gazillion dollar mega-churches with everybody up, glaze-eyed, hand-waving and testifying, or watch the gaudy, golden ceremonies at Christmas from St. Peter’s, all I think is “cult.”

I also think: corruption, a waste of millions of dollars on crap, and hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy.

Go pray on your toilet. If God exists, he’ll find you there. Don’t mess with government, which has enough problems already.

91 Responses so far.

  1. avatar Rho says:

    Mr. Wow, as I have told you before, I am Jewish.  We are not a cult, we are a religion.  The year now is 5772.  Much longer than 2011.  We could do well with a Jewish President, why not?  Think of all the things we Jews have done to better this world.

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear Rho…

      Dolling, I agree.  Now,  go convince the “Christians.”

      (B. is Jewish, by the way.  And for sure he should be president–anybody who could live through Mr. W. can rule the world.)

  2. avatar Andy C says:

    I remember the uproar when a, gasp!, Catholic ran for president.  Would we then have the Pope running our country?  And then a man of color became our president and, oy vey, we have our problems with him, but none are relative to his color.  And now there is a pseudo-expert who claims that one can’t be president without accepting Jesus and what’s more, that we will burn in hell if we don’t.

    How dare he?  My religion is one of the oldest in the world; a religion upon which many others are based.  I repeat:  How dare he?

  3. avatar Mary says:

    Mr. Wow, I have to laugh at this conversation because it is a old one.  We are so puritanical in this country and backwards when it comes to our leaders.( actually when it comes to a lot of things but I am sure you get the point.) We realy need to get over this religious junk and consentrate on the more basic things such as our economy, the war, our future, infastructure, education etc.

    Actually I started laughing to myself wondering how this country would feel about a Mennonite leader!  Everyone has such a different idea of what my religion is that sometimes it makes me giddy just thinking of it myself.  We do not have a flag in our church or ourside our church which one would think makes us anti government but in reality we believe in worshiping God first and symbols confuse the issue of church. The swearing in would be unacceptable to some I am sure because we would never swear on a Bible to pledge anything and we do not say the pledge of allegiance because we only pledge alligience to God.  Otherwise we are just about like everyone else. 

    I think at this stage of the game I would vote for B. Shall I write him in?

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear Mary…

      When it comes to matters of religion and sex, the conversation is not likely to end anytime soon. 

      Yes, I would like to see B. as the first Jewish president.  And me, oy!–as the First Boyfriend. (I still prefer that juvenile term, even after 35 years.  First Partner?  Too dry.  First Lover?  Too intimate.) 

      I will give many parties and as my fashion statement I will  bring back caftans for men. 

  4. avatar Bot says:

    ·        Here are the characteristics of a cult:
    Small? The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) has 14 million members in 132 countries. In America, there are more Mormons than there are Presbyterians or Jews.
    Excessive devotion? Mormons are devoted to the Savior, but in appropriate measure He would approve of.
    Unethical techniques? Ask the pie-throwers to name one.
    Control by isolation? Even if Mormons wanted to, this would be impossible with 14 million members in 28,000 congregations throughout the world.
    Control by threats? Again, evidence? Mormon missionaries may be exuberant, but do not threaten.
    Dependency on the group? The Mormon Church is just the opposite. Mormons want members to be self-reliant and independent so they in turn can help others.
    Powerful group pressure? Only if that’s the way the critics prefer to define love.
    Strange? Guilty as charged. Mormons plead guilty to all the strange things that were done by Christians in New Testament times that were lost during the great falling away in the aptly named Dark Ages, among them temple worship, vicarious baptism for the dead, definition of God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as separate but united in purpose, salvation requiring both grace and obedience to commandments, prophets and apostles, unpaid clergy, and continual revelation to guide His Church.

  5. avatar chipgiii says:

    That’s why preachers and reverends like Robert Jeffress. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson should be ignored.  Their remarks are often hateful and bring little to the table.

  6. avatar Chris Glass` says:

    This is an interesting discussion especially since the founding fathers tried so hard to keep religion out of politics. They honestly believed it would be a divisive and corrupting influence on life. They didn’t want any belief system from any group taking over and dictating what we could or couldn’t do as a nation.

    If we were to pick apart any religion or way of worship not just Mormon we could find aspects of it that could be pointed to as a cult influence. Those belief systems also help keep stability for their members as they strive to live a faith filled life often to the betterment of their communities. That said I do not agree with fundamentalist religions that want to tell me how to dress, worship or who I should even associate with. I believe that every person has to find the spiritual path that works for them. I fear that if we bring religion in politics it could very well change liberty and justice for all if those religious beliefs are interpreted by church leaders using it as a vehicle for power and control.

    • avatar chipgiii says:

      There is a fine line between cult and religion.  As for founding fathers: I don’t think they wanted a state sponsored religion….not so sure they were for keeping it out of government completely.  They did and still do pray. 

      • avatar Chris Glass` says:

        The founding fathers specifically and deliberately kept religion out of our newly formed government except for Freedom of Religion. They were educated people of all religious persuasions ranging from Church of England to Methodist and deists. If you study that period of history you will know that many of the new citizens fled religious tyranny from the countries that they immigrated from. The framers of our Constitution and Declaration of Independence knew those same conditions could arise here if religion were part of the new government. Let’s not forget that higher education was almost a class privilege at that time so many of the uneducated were unduly influenced by their religious leaders. The founding fathers wanted to make sure some hotheaded minister with charisma didn’t steer this newly formed government now or in the future.

  7. avatar Baby Snooks says:

    I vaguely recall Herman Cain starting this conversation which he continued on one of the Sunday morning “Washington Pooper Scooper” shows by saying that Mormons believe they are Christians while sidestepping, after sideswiping Mormons ever-so-politely, the question of whether he believes they are Christians. But , well, I learned not to trust people who own pizza chains a long time ago. Mutual friends of the Bushes. I love the family. The pizza people. Not the Bushes. But, well, I would never turn my back on them. The pizza people and the Bushes. Or on Herman Cain.

    I think someone “dispatched” the pastor to add some fireworks to the already brilliant fireworks show that Pastor Perry and his Old Time Religion Revival has already produced. His association with American Family Association has already poisoned him in Texas. Without Texas, well, forget the rest of the nation. Except for the Looney Tooneys. They all love him. And American Family Association. They love “Christians Only” and of course only their type of Christians.

    No doubt we will be diverted back to the issue of separation of church and state and it bores me. Can people not read in this country? Apparently not.  Some believe, when they can no longer make a rational argument, that because the majority in this country are Christians that it is a Christian nation on that basis alone need to understandt that the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, was written to prevent “majority rule” when that rule excluded some from their protections and rights under the Constitution. Antonin Scalia is their idol. He is incapable of much of anything except issuing dictum that at times seems to be dogma. Straight from the Vatican. 

    As for the followers of the god of Abraham I wish they would finally annihilate each other so the rest of us can live in peace finally or that their god would throw another big black rock and not miss this time.  My god is really their god. I just dumped all the “mean old man in the sky” crap early on. But, well, he did throw that rock. And missed. And probably does regret missing. 

    By the way the big black rock at Mecca that Abraham built the temple around is possibly a big black diamond. Deposited perhaps as the really big rock that someone threw hit the atmoshphere.  The thought of anyone “unsealing” it to find out, let along suggesting it, is sufficient reason to chop you head off. But, well, when the oil runs out, well, I suspect there will be a call to a jeweler in Tel Aviv. “We have this rock….” Gotta pay the light bill somehow, you know?

    At this point I am taking the Mayan prediction about 2012, or thereabout, a little more seriously. And remembering the final scene from Dr. Strangelove. With the crazy cowboy from Texas riding the bomb that sets off Armageddon. “Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwww…”

  8. avatar D C says:

    I always start writing here and look at how long it’s gotten and think, nobody wants to read all that!  So I’ve erased and started over… again. 

    Short story — didn’t grow up with religion, got a fairly serious case of it as a young adult, young married, young parent, then “got over it” more due to circumstances than anything.  We moved away from the place we were so involved, and nothing else every “fit” again, then we had a special needs child and church was just another place to get into trouble so we quit going.  Our older kids didn’t seem to miss it.

    Our daughter went to college and has become The Church Lady on the grandest scale I think I’ve ever seen.  I’m seriously concerned that if she ever gets married (I say “if” because I’m not sure a man, other than Jesus, will ever fit her standards, and last time I checked he was available) mom and dad won’t be righteous enough for them. 

    Anyway… I would much prefer a candidate for President that may or may not be spiritual, and keeps that part of their lives to themselves, because it really isn’t mine or anyone else’s business what they think about God and how and why we got here and where we’re going when we die.  How about we just focus on the Constitution, the laws of our land, conserving the land we have, not screwing anybody anywhere to make our lives better, and just try to live the golden rule.  Why is that so hard?

    • avatar D C says:

      He WASN’T available… sorry for the typo’s — I have a sinus headache this morning.  I’d say the sinus headache from Hell, but I don’t really believe in Hell….

    • avatar Mr. Wow says:

      Dear DC…

      Unfortunately, no candidate with serious aspirations to the White House can say what I am sure at least some of them have privately felt–“I’m not too sure about God, I’m not terribly religious, but I am interested in doing my best for people while they–and I–are here on earth.  I try to do no harm and treat others as I wish to be treated. I’d like your vote.” 


      Good luck with Church Lady Daughter.  Maybe it’s just a phase?

      • avatar Lila says:

        What I would like to hear is, “My religious views are private and have no bearing on my handling of the affairs of state.” When pressed: “We have separation of church and state in this country. I intend to represent the interests of all Americans. Once again, my religious views are private.”

        • avatar LandofLove says:

          Exactly, Lila. However, don’t hold your breath waiting to hear that.

        • avatar Mr. Wow says:

          Dear Lila…

          Saying, “I want privacy…” when one is a public figure, is always interpreted as having something to hide.  So, it would be impossible for a presidential candidate to cite “privacy” on religion.  Gotta come right out and say you believe in  God, etc.  The Christian God. 

          • avatar LandofLove says:

            Very true, Mr. wOw. If you say your religious views are private, you’d be accused of taking part in satanic rituals, etc.

          • avatar Lila says:

            Perhaps as a compromise, I will hold out my dog tags, which say that I am Protestant, and leave it at that.

        • avatar Deirdre Cerasa says:

          Oh Lila, If only that were possible! I would vote for that person at least twice!!